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Old Posted Jun 5, 2009, 11:26 PM
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Does anyone know when the market street project could start construction now that the design has been approved?
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2009, 11:36 PM
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Does anyone know when the market street project could start construction now that the design has been approved?
No, including the guy who's building it:

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"construction won't begin until the economy begins to recover" according to the developer.
Source: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2...rket_at_b.html

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Yes, that side of it is ugly, but unavoidably so. The building code requires expensive fire-rated windows if they are within 5 ft of another building so any midblock structure that builds to the lot line is almost certainly going to have a big blank windowless wall on the lot line. Besides, who would want a hotel room with a window 5 ft from the big blank windowless wall of the (potential) building next door. So this building, like pretty much any building similarly situated, was designed with all the rooms having windows facing some other side that can't be blocked (including some facing what will be a light well on another side).
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2009, 11:14 AM
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[QUOTE=BTinSF;4290015] I think it really is better than the earlier design. I like the step-downs.

More views of the earlier version:


I liked the earlier design better - the windows had more vertical lines. The approved version is too open to my taste. The step down works for me. I guess the folks in the neighborhood did not like the original because it was too much of a large bulk, which is now broken up to make the complex look more like several buildings.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2009, 11:23 AM
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Fox Plaza - New Tower Approved by SF Planning Commission

I see on Socket Site ( http://www.socketsite.com/) that a new 250 unit condo tower has been approved 7-0 by the San Francisco Planning Commission for the Fox Plaza site. The height will be 150', lower than the allowable height of 200'. I am on the 300' level and will be looking down on it from my apartment

I tried to download the information from the Planning Commission site but could not get past page 2, maybe I will try later.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2009, 5:29 PM
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See post # 2275

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Old Posted Jun 7, 2009, 8:22 PM
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I frequently eat lunch at Eddy & Mason (Punjab Kabob) and was going to snap a picture of 149 Mason but now I don't have to because CurbedSF did:


Source: http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2009/0...eader_comments
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2009, 4:40 AM
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Much progress since I've been over there. I don't think it has topped out quite yet, has it?
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2009, 5:38 AM
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Didn't seem topped out when last I was there (a week or so ago).
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2009, 5:47 PM
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It's hardly even a massing diagram, but here's a ghost of a rendering of Golden Gate University's hoped-for tower:


Source: http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2009/0...eader_comments

Would that it could really be that transparent and glassy (and no wonder Jeffrey Heller--of the stucco and bay windows--hates it)

And commentary CurbedSF posted along with the photo under the fabulous headline "Transbay Towerfight!" is almost as good:

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Okay, this is complicated, but we think we can distill the situation down to this: while work on the 1,000 foot Transbay Tower is creeping along (inasmuch as it's still basically just a dirt lot), there's drama over control of the cluster of smaller towers that will eventually go up around it. Golden Gate University is the latest the spark controversy, with their surprise announcement that they want to build a 850-foot tower.

This is totally vexing to neighboring developer David Choo, who thought he had dibs on towers of that height. It rubs Jeffrey Heller (from architecture firm HellerManus) the wrong way, too: big buildings should be concentrated close together, he says, to create a hilly effect in the skyline. And Choo's lot is closer to the Transbay Tower than the University's is; so there you go. How dare those meddlesome students attempt to disrupt our skyline.

A University official downplayed the drama, saying "I think we have a lot of time on our hands" to work out a solution. Clearly, we're doomed.
Same source as photo.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2009, 6:02 PM
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I think that's 555 behind him in the photo. You can see the Salt House's building right in front of it. It sure looks 850' tall with that lens though.

As I said before, the proximity argument vis-a-vis Transbay is silly because the difference between the two lots is miniscule.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2009, 6:10 PM
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And is Curbed asleep at the wheel? What's up with this:

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work on the 1,000 foot Transbay Tower is creeping along (inasmuch as it's still basically just a dirt lot)
I assume they're talking about the temporary terminal site. The tower site isn't even dirt yet.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2009, 10:04 PM
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pg would be correct in that that is 555, looks like he's standing in front of the empty lot next to golden gate.

ps though bt, i like your use of the optative. my friend in my greek and latin classes is trying to bring back "would that it were". im not sure how much success she'll have though haha.
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^^^ Off topic, but I love using the subjunctive in English. Now if only I could use "whom" in spoken English without feeling absolutely silly.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 11:56 PM
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well theoretically you should be using it fairly regularly, as "who" is only used for the nominative.

i try to use the subjunctive "were" in present-contrary-to-fact statements, e.g.: "if i were better at english grammar, I would use 'were' for the subjunctive more often." there are actually a few versions of the subjunctive that we use without really realizing it, as in past-contrary-to-fact, where one would say "if I had been better at english grammar, I would have used 'were' for the subjunctive more often." had known is actually subjunctive, but people say it without thinking about what it is grammatically. unfortunately a lot of times it shares the same form as the infinitive, also causing people not to realize they are using it, e.g.: "She requested that he use the subjunctive correctly." Since its not "he uses" as in the indicative, people think they are just using the infinitive "use," though obviously not since it has a subject.

that was a rather long tangent.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 12:05 AM
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and also, people use "whose" all the time, and thats just another form of "who," so whats wrong with "whom?"
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2009, 11:28 PM
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Designs For The Castro’s "Hole In The Ground" (2299 Market Street)



As proposed, the Castro’s long vacant "hole in the ground" at 2299 Market Street (corner of 16th and Noe) would become a five-story mixed-use development with 18 residential units, 5,000 square feet of ground floor retail and 18 underground parking spaces.

And while the proposed Ian Birchall and Associates design has apparently been generating some neighborhood buzz by being rendered with what appears to be an Apple store in the retail space ("but those who have heard the design team's presentation said there was no indication given that a lease with the retailer had been signed"), that’s not what had us all abuzz (or perhaps bothered if you will).

No, it’s the difference between what’s currently proposed (below left) versus what appears to have once been on the boards (below right) that did that trick.


Source: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2....html#comments

Sorry, but I still don't expect to see anything built in that hole during my lifetime.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2009, 11:36 PM
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^^^ Off topic, but I love using the subjunctive in English. Now if only I could use "whom" in spoken English without feeling absolutely silly.
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pg would be correct in that that is 555, looks like he's standing in front of the empty lot next to golden gate.

ps though bt, i like your use of the optative. my friend in my greek and latin classes is trying to bring back "would that it were". im not sure how much success she'll have though haha.
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And the SF process has done it once again. Not that the original proposal was that great, but the "winning" proposal is blaaaaaaaaand. That thing could be Omaha--

no disrespect to Omaha, I have always sort of liked the place. Just saying it could be anywhere USA where a developer builds as cheap and meaningless as possible.

At least the dead proposal tried a little bit.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2009, 6:10 AM
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And the SF process has done it once again. Not that the original proposal was that great, but the "winning" proposal is blaaaaaaaaand. That thing could be
Worse. It could be, er, Mission Bay.

But don't worry. Like I said, it is just not believable anything will be built there before Star Trek Academy opens.
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Worse. It could be, er, Mission Bay.

But don't worry. Like I said, it is just not believable anything will be built there before Star Trek Academy opens.
Starfleet Academy opens in San Francisco in 152 years or 2161.
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