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Nice to see Edgewater doing well--I think we will end up needing as many new walkable neighborhoods like that as we can cram into the core area.

If I wasn't a family man and could comfortably afford it, I would live Downtown in a heartbeat. New stuff is opening there all the time, places are starting to add weekend hours, and it is just going to keep getting better.

The Central North Side is another great choice, again with a lot of positive momentum.
If only they could take a wrecking ball to the craphole that is Allegheny Center and put in a high-density mixed use development. Not to mention, they need to either extend the T from the North Side station up along the I-279/US 19 corridor all the way into Cranberry or put in a BRT line for the time being. A) the corridor screams for it, and B) Cranberry needs some high-quality transit link (LRT/BRT) to Downtown like never before. There are 30k people residing in the 22-square-mile municipality, and that number is expected to double within 20 years.
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If only they could take a wrecking ball to the craphole that is Allegheny Center and put in a high-density mixed use development. Not to mention, they need to either extend the T from the North Side station up along the I-279/US 19 corridor all the way into Cranberry or put in a BRT line for the time being. A) the corridor screams for it, and B) Cranberry needs some high-quality transit link (LRT/BRT) to Downtown like never before. There are 30k people residing in the 22-square-mile municipality, and that number is expected to double within 20 years.
The first priority for the T before cranberry. Is an airport route. (remember maglev? haha) And 2nd from downtown to Oakland. These two are key for growth.
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I'd be happy with an extended BRT network that continues to be high-quality such as the current busways. There should be a busway that does head up the McKnightmare corridor, and probably one that heads out to Monroeville as well. Frankly, I would love nothing more than to see an additional busway from downtown, along the South Side and continuing south into Clairton/Pleasant Hills. Only problem is that there's literally no room for a busway that I can think of along the Southside...

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Edgewater is a great development, in my opinion. The kind of developments the Pittsburgh region needs more of -- well-planned riverfront residential connected to the adjacent neighborhoods. One of the development companies behind Edgewater is also leading the development in South Fayette/Bridgeville area just off 79 (Newbury/Newbury Market)... on the site of that former chemical plant/slag dump/coal mines. I know the guy who's the head of the company and he has great ideas for Pittsburgh.

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I am used to living in a walkable urban area from living in Boston and most recently Downtown Indy and I am looking to replicate that in Pittsburgh.

What neighborhoods / resources would you folks point a prospective resident to in determining a place to live?

Carson street seems a tad young for me @ 32, Shadyside is a little east for a guy that will be traveling west by car or air much of the time (work from home/road warrior). The Strip District and the North Shore both dont seem to be there yet (Mexican War streets however are friggin cool, I wish these were right up along the Monongahowever you pronounce it). Downtown / Cultural District is my favorite so far but I havent seen it on a weekend or many evenings to know if in fact there is a community there or just a shell after the whistle blows... Probably rent for a year. I checked out 201 Stanwix, RiverVue, Encore, Penn-Garrison, Pennsylvanian, Market Square. Mrkt Sq was by far the favorite for a 1 bedroom based on location and it was about the only one that didnt have wall to wall carpeting.

Sorry for the public appeal for info but my my hunch is the posters on this forum are "in the know" on the best places to live. Feel free to send a note instead of public post if you like. Thanks.
Good to hear you're relocating to Pittsburgh. I'm leaving the city soon, so you can serve as my replacement to keep those population figures moving in the positive direction.

If you're going to be working/traveling west on a daily basis, battling the Ft. Pitt bridge/tunnel/pkwy west can be a real pain in the ass. So, if based on commuting, I would not recommend living in the East End neighborhoods... even though I think they are the best spot overall (especially for a newcomer to the area in his early 30s)... younger and highly-diverse population, walkable/bikeable/bus transit, parks, cultural amenities, bars/restaurants/stores, variety of apartment types in great neighborhoods, etc.

However, the same is also true for living downtown. You're closer, but still on the wrong side of that traffic choke point, if you're going to be driving west in the am and back in the pm (doesn't really matter that you are technically going "against traffic"). Downtown is coming along -- still not "vibrant" after hours with a significant resident population, but getting much better with the developments. It might be a cool spot to live and see the changes firsthand. With Point State Park at your doorstep and close access to the south and north sides for entertainment (bars, restaurants, sporting events, concerts), I think it would be an enjoyable place to live for me.

Northside has an old urban coolness factor to it, but I feel a bit isolated/disconnected over there. There's really not a whole lot to do and it lacks basic amenities... and it still can be a bit sketchy -- my cousin was recently robbed at gunpoint by two men after leaving a bar, forced into his car, and forced to drive them away and then fortunately get out with only lost cash and car. Not that this is typical and it's just my personal anecdote, but it does provide an idea of an environment that still is present there.

As you said, the Strip just isn't there yet. If you were looking to buy right away and stay for awhile, I might recommend getting in now, but why rent in a neighborhood that will be cool years down the road. I actually find the Strip to be a pretty miserable place.

If the commute west is not a major issue, I say find yourself a place in Squirrel Hill or Shadyside/East Liberty, without hesitation. Downtown could also be very cool in its current revamping mode -- I just prefer actual neighborhoods for living.
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The first priority for the T before cranberry. Is an airport route. (remember maglev? haha) And 2nd from downtown to Oakland. These two are key for growth.
I know Cranberry isn't exactly as high up as something along the Parkway West or Oakland/Downtown corridors, but the fact that they could very well hit double their current population in 20 years, to me, is setting off bells and whistles. Having a high-quality rapid transit link to Downtown as well as up to Butler I think should be up there on the priorities list. It is as far as the Butler County Comprehensive Plan is concerned...

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I'd be happy with an extended BRT network that continues to be high-quality such as the current busways. There should be a busway that does head up the McKnightmare corridor, and probably one that heads out to Monroeville as well. Frankly, I would love nothing more than to see an additional busway from downtown, along the South Side and continuing south into Clairton/Pleasant Hills. Only problem is that there's literally no room for a busway that I can think of along the Southside...

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My LRT idea to Cranberry heads right up along McKnight(mare) Road. That OR BRT would be fine. I have another route proposal running from south of Mars along PA 228 down along I-79, out Neville Island, down through Coraopolis, Moon, and around to the Airport parking lot. Of course, right around Moon it would pair up with another LRT line, the Parkway West corridor you mention. I think this alignment should include stops at Robinson (the mall, and/or Towne Center), as well as Settlers Ridge near the Giant Eagle Market District, and probably follow the West Busway alignment to either Station Square or make another river crossing to link up with the NSE which will open in a week and a half (which is probably what will end up happening anyway)...
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If only they could take a wrecking ball to the craphole that is Allegheny Center and put in a high-density mixed use development.
Oh, definitely. I hope to see in my lifetime Allegheny Center mostly demo'd and returned to the original street grid filling in the gaps with dense mixed use development. It could be a second skyline for the city, or at the very least another N. Oakland sans The Cathedral of Learning.
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If cranberry wants to finance a line to Pittsburgh thats fine. The Biggest problem for the city over the years has been their residence moving to places like cranberry outside of the county. Thats the rub, When you build lines going into the city you also built a line going out. And their goes your capital. Many do drive in to work in town but they leave at 5. We need to finance transportation expantion in pittsburgh (And God knows we need it).
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If cranberry wants to finance a line to Pittsburgh thats fine. The Biggest problem for the city over the years has been their residence moving to places like cranberry outside of the county. Thats the rub, When you build lines going into the city you also built a line going out. And their goes your capital. Many do drive in to work in town but they leave at 5. We need to finance transportation expantion in pittsburgh (And God knows we need it).
We sure do need to finance a considerable expansion of Pittsburgh's regional transportation network. It is severely lacking especially out toward the Airport and to areas north and east. I envision a commuter rail network linking places like Washington, Greensburg, Butler, New Castle and Beaver as well as the proposed line to Lower Burrel. Light rail would expand out to the Airport. BRT would be extended out east to Monroeville as well as up McKnight Road to Ross Park. I'd like to se LRT extend up that way as well with service extending up to Cranberry and Mars providing a link to the commuter rail line serving Butler and New Castle. (A suburban LRT line would run from Mars to the airport, an idea borrowed from WMATA and Washington, DC with their proposed purple line.) By building a significant regional transit network like this, you make Downtown Pittsburgh extremely vital and you help redevelopment of depressed places like New Castle, Butler and Washington.

Anyway, I'm rather surprised this wasn't posted yet. It was on the Tribune-Review website regarding Stauber's plans for his Strip District development along Smallman St. between 21st and 23rd Streets. He basically wants to take a "wait and see" approach with Buncher and his development for the Strip.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_786202.html

I personally would like to see what his proposal is.
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Rapid commuter service to a few existing communities in need of revitalization would be fine, but I tend to agree the highest priority is improving rapid transit within the core central area itself. In fact Downtown really doesn't need any help being vital, but you could benefit a lot of underutilized core area neighborhoods and brownfield sites by, say, giving them rapid transit links directly to Oakland.
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Ugh. Neverending conversation about public transportation. I will still drive a car everywhere I go. Because I'm not gonna be held hostage by transit authorities that constantly cut or change routes.
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Ugh. Neverending conversation about public transportation. I will still drive a car everywhere I go. Because I'm not gonna be held hostage by transit authorities that constantly cut or change routes.
The "transit system" in Pittsburgh is an inconvenient waste of time.

Used to bus (because I didn't know any better, I guess), learned my lesson, and now drive or bike.

But... I'm so psyched to soon have the ability to take a 45 minute bus ride from Squirrel Hill to Downtown (not counting the 20-30 minute wait time once I get to the bus stop, of course), transfer to the T, and take a train to the CASINO!!!!!!!!!!
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More Living in Steel City

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...RDS=pittsburgh



More Living in Steel City
By MAURA WEBBER SADOVI

Owners of second-tier office buildings in Pittsburgh are increasingly looking to convert them into apartments to take advantage of rising residential rents as well as a revitalization taking place in the once-dying steel town.

Next month, local developer Millcraft Industries of suburban Washington, Pa., will begin renting units in a 16-story former state office building that is undergoing a $45 million conversion.

When completed in September, the 218 apartments in the renamed River Vue complex will fetch average monthly rents of about $1,650 and offer views of the Ohio and Monongahela rivers.

Another developer, PMC Property Group Inc. of Philadelphia, last year began leasing some 158 rental units carved out of a nearby 12-story former office property previously occupied by Verizon Communications Inc.

The projects join a flurry of new retail, residential and office development and investment activity that has made Pittsburgh the envy of other Rust Belt cities. The city's Market Square has turned into a European-style plaza, and PNC Financial Services Group Inc. is planning to break ground on a 33-story office tower in April. The city's downtown residential population has doubled to 7,200 since 2000, according to the Pittsburgh Downtown Partnership.

The conversions also reflect a national trend: Rental apartments are performing better than office space. Demand for apartments is strong thanks largely to the continuing troubles in the single family homeownership market. Meanwhile, jobs aren't being added fast enough in most parts of the country to absorb the glut of office space left over from the downturn.

Pittsburgh's office market is outperforming those in many other U.S. office markets. Still, its apartment sector is doing better, with rents expected to rise over 3% this year compared with a 1.4% increase in office rents, according to Reis Inc. More office-to-apartment conversions are expected to continue adding residents to the area. "It's still much more expensive to build than to convert," says Jeremy Waldrup, president of the Pittsburgh Downtown Partnership.

Developers have been converting office space to apartments for decades in some cities, often to deal with excess office space. In downtown Manhattan, the trend gained steam following the real-estate collapse of the early 1990s.

Boston developer Harold Brown's Hamilton Co. began converting a 40,000-square-foot office building near the site former Filene's flagship department store into an apartment property after the building's vacancy rose to about 15%.

Mr. Brown, who is one of the area's largest apartment landlords with about 5,000 units, estimates it will cost him about $200,000 a unit to convert the building, about half what it would cost to develop new apartment buildings.

Pittsburgh's newest office-to-apartment conversion is spearheaded by Millcraft, a company with a history of adapting to new economic realities. The family-owned business was founded in the 1950s as a servicer of steelmaking equipment but diversified into real estate in the late 1970s.

Millcraft initially started building suburban office and mixed-use industrial parks but began developing condominiums and mixed-use projects in Pittsburgh in more recent years. It currently owns about 750,000 square feet of office, two hotels, nearly 300 apartment units and 120,000 square feet of retail.

Millcraft paid the state $4.6 million in 2009 for the office building and then began weighing its options for the empty tower: keep it as office or turn it into a hotel or apartments. As the lodging industry's outlook darkened, the company ruled out hotels.

The company projected it would get $21-a-square-foot rents for residential annually, but only $19.50 a square foot for office. Also, the building's long and narrow shape lent itself to a layout that would yield sunny apartments, says Lucas Piatt, chief operating officer of Millcraft.

But the case for converting to apartments was sealed when Millcraft was able to cut a deal with Red Capital Group of Columbus, Ohio, for a government-backed mortgage, according to Mr. Piatt. Last summer, Millcraft received a $39 million loan, backed by the Federal Housing Administration, with a 40-year term and no personal guarantees.

A conventional bank loan for an apartment project likely would have offered only about $31 million of the $45 million with as short as a 10-year-term, and the company likely would have had to pony up a personal guarantee.

"The numbers worked out better," Mr. Piatt says.

Write to Maura Webber Sadovi at maura.sadovi@wsj.com

A version of this article appeared Mar. 14, 2012, on page C8 in some U.S. editions of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: A Steel City Conversion.
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Posted a bunch of photos of the signage that has gone up at the PNC site, as well as the big orange metal facade coming off the building next to where The Gardens will be going up:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=1#post5627665
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Posted a bunch of photos of the signage that has gone up at the PNC site, as well as the big orange metal facade coming off the building next to where The Gardens will be going up:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=1#post5627665
I saw those couple pics you posted near the gardens site but I didn't think there was ANY buildings or facades being re-used. The renderings make it look like it is an entirely new structure including underground parking, and of course the setback upper tier of the tower.
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By MAURA WEBBER SADOVI

Owners of second-tier office buildings in Pittsburgh are increasingly looking to convert them into apartments to take advantage of rising residential rents as well as a revitalization taking place in the once-dying steel town.

Next month, local developer Millcraft Industries of suburban Washington, Pa., will begin renting units in a 16-story former state office building that is undergoing a $45 million conversion.

When completed in September, the 218 apartments in the renamed River Vue complex will fetch average monthly rents of about $1,650 and offer views of the Ohio and Monongahela rivers.

Another developer, PMC Property Group Inc. of Philadelphia, last year began leasing some 158 rental units carved out of a nearby 12-story former office property previously occupied by Verizon Communications Inc.

The projects join a flurry of new retail, residential and office development and investment activity that has made Pittsburgh the envy of other Rust Belt cities. The city's Market Square has turned into a European-style plaza, and PNC Financial Services Group Inc. is planning to break ground on a 33-story office tower in April. The city's downtown residential population has doubled to 7,200 since 2000, according to the Pittsburgh Downtown Partnership.

The conversions also reflect a national trend: Rental apartments are performing better than office space. Demand for apartments is strong thanks largely to the continuing troubles in the single family homeownership market. Meanwhile, jobs aren't being added fast enough in most parts of the country to absorb the glut of office space left over from the downturn.

Pittsburgh's office market is outperforming those in many other U.S. office markets. Still, its apartment sector is doing better, with rents expected to rise over 3% this year compared with a 1.4% increase in office rents, according to Reis Inc. More office-to-apartment conversions are expected to continue adding residents to the area. "It's still much more expensive to build than to convert," says Jeremy Waldrup, president of the Pittsburgh Downtown Partnership.

Developers have been converting office space to apartments for decades in some cities, often to deal with excess office space. In downtown Manhattan, the trend gained steam following the real-estate collapse of the early 1990s.

Boston developer Harold Brown's Hamilton Co. began converting a 40,000-square-foot office building near the site former Filene's flagship department store into an apartment property after the building's vacancy rose to about 15%.

Mr. Brown, who is one of the area's largest apartment landlords with about 5,000 units, estimates it will cost him about $200,000 a unit to convert the building, about half what it would cost to develop new apartment buildings.

Pittsburgh's newest office-to-apartment conversion is spearheaded by Millcraft, a company with a history of adapting to new economic realities. The family-owned business was founded in the 1950s as a servicer of steelmaking equipment but diversified into real estate in the late 1970s.

Millcraft initially started building suburban office and mixed-use industrial parks but began developing condominiums and mixed-use projects in Pittsburgh in more recent years. It currently owns about 750,000 square feet of office, two hotels, nearly 300 apartment units and 120,000 square feet of retail.

Millcraft paid the state $4.6 million in 2009 for the office building and then began weighing its options for the empty tower: keep it as office or turn it into a hotel or apartments. As the lodging industry's outlook darkened, the company ruled out hotels.

The company projected it would get $21-a-square-foot rents for residential annually, but only $19.50 a square foot for office. Also, the building's long and narrow shape lent itself to a layout that would yield sunny apartments, says Lucas Piatt, chief operating officer of Millcraft.

But the case for converting to apartments was sealed when Millcraft was able to cut a deal with Red Capital Group of Columbus, Ohio, for a government-backed mortgage, according to Mr. Piatt. Last summer, Millcraft received a $39 million loan, backed by the Federal Housing Administration, with a 40-year term and no personal guarantees.

A conventional bank loan for an apartment project likely would have offered only about $31 million of the $45 million with as short as a 10-year-term, and the company likely would have had to pony up a personal guarantee.

"The numbers worked out better," Mr. Piatt says.

Write to Maura Webber Sadovi at maura.sadovi@wsj.com

A version of this article appeared Mar. 14, 2012, on page C8 in some U.S. editions of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: A Steel City Conversion.
FYI, in case you didn't see it i posted several renderings and link to information of that project on page 1 of this thread.
Page 1 is starting to look pretty active and good in my opinion! I'm limiting it to only the best projects and only professional grade renderings and photos.
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I saw those couple pics you posted near the gardens site but I didn't think there was ANY buildings or facades being re-used. The renderings make it look like it is an entirely new structure including underground parking, and of course the setback upper tier of the tower.
The Gardens isn't using the corner building (which is sometimes known as the Italian Sons and Daughters of America ("ISDA") building, and often as a former McDonalds). The ISDA project is separate from The Gardens, and the facade removal is part of a URA program in conjunction with the PHLF. Some of this is explained here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...wn-224419/?p=0

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Other changes also could be on tap. URA executive director Rob Stephany said facade improvements are in the works for the old McDonald's restaurant at Wood and Forbes and the Kashi Jewelers property at Wood and Fifth. The city also is talking to Point Park University about the potential for upper-floor housing in some of the buildings it owns on Wood.
And here:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_721417.html

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An $215,000 agreement with Pittsburgh History & Landmarks Foundation to provide design and construction management for Downtown buildings has been approved by the Urban Redevelopment Authority. Services may include facade renovations, core and shell and life safety improvements, and elevator renovations or installations. The goal is to stimulate occupancy on upper floors in buildings that often have a tenant only on the first floor. Examples are the ISDA property at Forbes and Wood streets and Kashi jewelers, 253 Fifth Ave.
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I can't believe nobody here has posted about the 12-story Duquesne University residence hall that's under construction! That's technically "skyscraper" floor count, people!

http://www.duq.edu/about/new-residence-hall.cfm

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In the wake of continuous record-breaking enrollment, Duquesne University has begun construction of a 12-story residence hall. Approximately 400 beds will be available for upperclassmen in suite-style configurations.

“A Duquesne education is in demand more than it has ever been and, as a result, we need more on-campus housing options for our students,” said Dr. Charles Dougherty, president. The new building will be located on the former site of Des Places Hall, which housed various academic and non-academic units.

The University will work with the City of Pittsburgh Planning Commission this spring in moving the project forward. In alignment with Duquesne’s commitment to environmental stewardship, the building will be constructed to earn Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) certification of the U.S. Green Building Council.

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Pittsburgh Business Times by Louis A. Corsaro, Assistant Managing Editor
Date: Friday, March 9, 2012, 6:00am EST

As Duquesne University enters the final couple of years for its current 10-year master plan, one of its biggest projects is nearing completion.

The new Des Places residence hall, a 31,000-square-foot facility with about 430 beds and a $35 million pricetag, is scheduled for completion this summer. The university expects to move students into the building in mid-August, said Stephen Schillo, vice president, management and business.

The 12-story building is expected to be certified at least LEED Silver. Schillo said LEED Gold is a possibility.

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http://www.theduquesneduke.com/des-p...3#.T2GRO-WkOSo

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