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'Everybody Fits In': Inside The Canadian Cities Where Minorities Are The Majority

'Everybody Fits In': Inside The Canadian Cities Where Minorities Are The Majority


4 Sep 2018

By Sadiya Ansari

Read More: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...rkham-brampton

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The Foody Mart in Markham, a sprawling city near Toronto, is found in a typical North American suburban plaza, sprinkled with fast-food chains, nail salons and a small legal firm. But look closely and you will notice the mall’s parking signs are in Chinese and the bank serves customers in Cantonese and Mandarin.

- This is just one of many large grocers that serve the Chinese population in Canada’s most diverse city. With a population of 330,000, Markham is one of a handful of “majority-minority” cities, where visible minorities – the official term used in Canada for anyone who is not white or indigenous – make up 78% of the city’s population, according to the 2016 census. --- Stores such as the Foody Mart did not exist when Jennifer Chin first moved to Markham in 1991. Born in Jamaica, Chin, 53, is ethnically Chinese, as is her husband. They raised three children while running a business manufacturing Jamaican patties, often described as a quintessentially Torontonian snack.

- Along with several other majority-minority cities on the outskirts of Toronto, Markham represents a remarkable outcome of Canada’s official policy of multiculturalism, enacted in the 1970s under the then prime minister, Pierre Trudeau. It states that other cultures are valuable as long as newcomers are willing to integrate into “mainstream” Canadian culture – typically understood as the country’s English and French colonial roots. --- But what does mainstream look like in cities where the primary culture is neither English nor French? And, as Canada’s population is projected to be nearly 30% foreign-born by 2036, what does integration in these cities mean?

- Ethnic ties have long attracted newcomers to the suburbs of Toronto, transforming what were once bedroom – or commuter – communities into thriving cities in their own right. Markham’s biggest mall now features high-end shops that rival the shopping centres in Toronto. The city has its own Whole Foods store, as well as chic mid-rise condos to complement the earlier sprawling developments of large single-family homes. --- As cities get bigger, it’s only natural to be attracted to those who are similar to you, says Mohammad Qadeer, a professor of urban planning at Queen’s University, Ontario. “You usually hang out and interact with people you share interests with,” he says. “Ethnicity and religion are strong ties that bring people together.”

- But majority-minority cities also serve as a reminder that diverse populations do not necessarily generate utopian post-racial societies. White flight and hate crimes still occur, as do coded fights over issues that disproportionately affect immigrants – for instance, blowback against multi-generational housing, where several generations live under one roof. --- And just because a city has a high proportion of foreign-born residents does not mean its population is always open to other newcomers. Punches were thrown at a recent protest in Markham, where groups of mostly Chinese-Canadians clashed over a proposal to temporarily house asylum seekers in the city, to ease the pressure on Toronto’s shelter system.

- Markham has nevertheless come a long way since 1995, when the then deputy mayor, Carole Bell, expressed hostility towards Chinese malls, claiming they were driving people out of the city and that residents did not want “signage in a language we can’t read”. Not only does that signage remain, the city’s official website now translates its content into more than 80 languages, using a Google widget. In the last municipal election, some candidates participated in debates in Cantonese and Mandarin. --- There remains ongoing debate, however, on how much cultural change can be adopted into mainstream society, and how quickly. For instance, statutory holidays, which are mostly aligned with Christian holidays, are days off for workers in Canada. But in 2011, some Chinese grocers in Markham (including the Foody Mart) stayed open in defiance of the law.

- City councillor Joe Li heard both sides of the debate: that grocers were being discriminated against for not being able to stay open, and that Chinese businesses were trying to impose their culture on the city. Ultimately, Li decided in favour of the grocers, arguing that consumers should have the option to shop on holidays. The move proved so popular that York Region, in which Markham sits, voted that from 2018 any business could stay open 364 days a year. Li asked for something in return: to hire more diversely. “Now you’re starting to see it,” he says. “You walk in and see south Asian people in the store, you see halal meat in the store.”

- At the end of 2016, seven of the 10 neighbourhoods with the most rapid increase in property values in the Toronto area were in Markham – some properties saw their value jump as much as 90% in just three years. As in Vancouver, conversations about the Markham property boom sometimes have racially tinged accusations about foreign ownership driving up prices. Local media reported that one developer said: “There is no way a Caucasian would pay $2.1m for a bungalow.” --- “In general, people know who you are talking about – it must be the Chinese,” Li told a recent council meeting. “I don’t want that kind of impression.”

- Brampton is another majority-minority suburb, west of Toronto. The city’s population – now more than half a million – exploded in a similar fashion to Markham’s. It is now 73% visible minority, with its largest ethnic group Indian, particularly Sikhs from Punjab, earning the city the nicknames “Bramladesh” and “Browntown”. There are also significant populations from the Philippines, Sri Lanka and the Caribbean. --- But with its rapidly increasing diversity has come another development: not just a decreasing proportion of white residents, but also a shrinking number. According to numbers cited by the Toronto Star, the white population fell from 192,400 in 2001 to 169,230 in 2011, and now hovers around 151,000.

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Well isn't that just neat.
Well that was pecisely my reaction upon reading this article

On the other hand, the article says this is still a rarity in Canada:
"Markham is one of a handful of “majority-minority” cities, where visible minorities – the official term used in Canada for anyone who is not white or indigenous – make up 78% of the city’s population, according to the 2016 census."

So I guess I should be more understanding.
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Well that was pecisely my reaction upon reading this article

(not sure where our earlier comments went...)

My point is that this is an article about specific Canadian ethnoburbs, not which country has the best and the most "majority-minority" cities or states.



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On the other hand, the article says this is still a rarity in Canada:
"Markham is one of a handful of “majority-minority” cities, where visible minorities – the official term used in Canada for anyone who is not white or indigenous – make up 78% of the city’s population, according to the 2016 census."

For what it's worth, the US population is between 21% and 38% non-white (depending on how much of the Latin American population is considered as "non-white"); Canada is 27% non-white - so, not hugely different. Canada's racial minorities are generally just a little less geographically concentrated (with the exception of the overwhelmingly indigenous far north) for a variety of historical and geographic reasons. This isn't necessarily a better or worse thing.
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What the article describes doesn't really match the title of the thread.

It sounds like one particular ethnic group, like Chinese or Punjabi, gained a majority and now influence local government and owns all the businesses, which operate in their own language so they can serve only their customers and hire their own people. Sounds more like ghettoes than diversity.

In fast growing sunbelt cities in the US which can match Toronto in rapid population increases and immigration, you have suburbs where all sorts of people live all over the place. There are suburban Chinatown clusters but they aren't on a very large scale. There is still segregation, but it is mostly in the form of entirely black neighborhoods and entirely latino neighborhoods. In Houston and Dallas the white areas are also the Asian and Indian areas too.
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Not just satellite ethnoburbs but new cities onto themselves with density added.
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Markham is a city? More a suburb, no?
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A satellite city that wouldn’t be as big as it is if it were a city onto itself.
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Not just satellite ethnoburbs but new cities onto themselves with density added.
I am always interested in the diaspora of immigrants and minority groups, especially when we factor in upward mobility.

The Vineyards-Avalon neighborhood of Fremont for example, is about 40 miles SE of downtown SF, is very affluent and suburban, and is 74% Asian.


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What the article describes doesn't really match the title of the thread.

It sounds like one particular ethnic group, like Chinese or Punjabi, gained a majority and now influence local government and owns all the businesses, which operate in their own language so they can serve only their customers and hire their own people. Sounds more like ghettoes than diversity.

In fast growing sunbelt cities in the US which can match Toronto in rapid population increases and immigration, you have suburbs where all sorts of people live all over the place. There are suburban Chinatown clusters but they aren't on a very large scale. There is still segregation, but it is mostly in the form of entirely black neighborhoods and entirely latino neighborhoods. In Houston and Dallas the white areas are also the Asian and Indian areas too.
This is exactly it. We're going backwards in multicultural integration. Instead of everyone living together, we have white areas, brown areas, Asian areas, etc. For the life of me I can't understand how this can be seen as desirable.
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(not sure where our earlier comments went...)

My point is that this is an article about specific Canadian ethnoburbs, not which country has the best and the most "majority-minority" cities or states.






For what it's worth, the US population is between 21% and 38% non-white (depending on how much of the Latin American population is considered as "non-white"); Canada is 27% non-white - so, not hugely different. Canada's racial minorities are generally just a little less geographically concentrated (with the exception of the overwhelmingly indigenous far north) for a variety of historical and geographic reasons. This isn't necessarily a better or worse thing.
One thing that Canada does quite differently then the US is that West Asians and Arabs are considered "visible minorities" while in the US they are generally recognized as White.

In 2016 the White, non-Hispanic population was estimated to be at 60.7%, "minorities" at 39.3% of the entire population -- this would be a much better comparison with Canada since Latin Americans/Hispanics, no matter what race appears to be considered "visible minorities" because of their national or regional origin. That being said, there is a huge difference.
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In 2016 the White, non-Hispanic population was estimated to be at 60.7%, "minorities" at 39.3% of the entire population -- this would be a much better comparison with Canada since Latin Americans/Hispanics, no matter what race appears to be considered "visible minorities" because of their national or regional origin. That being said, there is a huge difference.

Except half those Latinos are white.

While you're correct that the Canadian census does deem Latino as "non-white", it's a question of racial identity rather than ethnicity. The US collects data on whether each person does or does not have Latin American origins, in addition to their racial identity. Canada only asks for the latter, meaning that a white person from Latin America would probably just check off "white" on the census. The categorization is different, but so is the way the data is being collected.

The one big difference is that Middle Eastern & Arab are considered white in the US but not in Canada - but then neither represent significant populations in either country. And again, in Canada a lot of those people are likely to just mark down "white" on the census anyway.

Keep in mind that Indigenous people are also not considered "visible minorities" in Canada (they're their own category).
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Except half those Latinos are white.

While you're correct that the Canadian census does deem Latino as "non-white", it's a question of racial identity rather than ethnicity. The US collects data on whether each person does or does not have Latin American origins, in addition to their racial identity. Canada only asks for the latter, meaning that a white person from Latin America would probably just check off "white" on the census. The categorization is different, but so is the way the data is being collected.

The one big difference is that Middle Eastern & Arab are considered white in the US but not in Canada - but then neither represent significant populations in either country. And again, in Canada a lot of those people are likely to just mark down "white" on the census anyway.

Keep in mind that Indigenous people are also not considered "visible minorities" in Canada (they're their own category).
They are also a category in the United States; there are 8 major groups usually used by demographers when looking at census data, that I agree encapsulates the proper division of 'race'+'minority groups' in the US.

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We're going backwards in multicultural integration.
"Integration" seems like kind of a bizarre and unrealistic thing to hope for. You're generally talking about population groups with histories reaching back into antiquity. Why would they abandon all of that just because they now live in Canada? They already have a culture.
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"Integration" seems like kind of a bizarre and unrealistic thing to hope for. You're generally talking about population groups with histories reaching back into antiquity. Why would they abandon all of that just because they now live in Canada? They already have a culture.
I don't want them to. I'm an immigrant myself and I understand how important it is to maintain where you come from. By integration I meant more so spatially. It sucks that different ethnicities choose to live separately rather than together, and that this trend is increasing. I thought the whole point of multiculturalism was for everyone to come together, when I personally see the opposite happening. This ultimately hurts cultural integration as well, in all directions.
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"Integration" seems like kind of a bizarre and unrealistic thing to hope for. You're generally talking about population groups with histories reaching back into antiquity. Why would they abandon all of that just because they now live in Canada? They already have a culture.
Yes, but many of their cultures are less advanced and shouldn't be tolerated in a highly advanced country. This absurd idea that cultures are equal needs to die. If people don't want to integrate and want to keep their backwards culture then fine, they can live in whatever shithole country they came from. People who wish to maintain honor cultures like many blacks and Muslims shouldn't be tolerated in a more advanced dignity culture as honor cultures breed violence. People who wish to live in a theocratic culture like many Muslims shouldn't be tolerated in a liberal democracy that values science and reason over dogma. Send all the people from advanced cultures who are willing to integrate that you want, but keep the less advanced ones out and stop trying to pretend that there's no difference between the two.
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I'm proud to say I can see more and more Black people living a very decent life here in my suburb (Maisons-Alfort, southern Paris).

I can see some of them driving shiny Mercedes as if they were some kind of bourgeois or nouveaux riches, but I would easily forgive them for being a little spoiled.

In fact, it makes me smile with joy to see a Black Frenchman in a Mercedes.
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"Integration" seems like kind of a bizarre and unrealistic thing to hope for. You're generally talking about population groups with histories reaching back into antiquity. Why would they abandon all of that just because they now live in Canada? They already have a culture.
Cultures also blend together. Look at Latin America and the Carribean.

I think keeping people sorted into various identities and eschewing the idea of a national or civic identity to facilitate trust and cooperation is bizarre.

If it was really going to be a zero-sum game and an absolutist version of cultural relativism was the only acceptable philosophy, then the far-right anti-immigration opponents would be justified in their fears.

Thankfully that's now how it is.
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Why would people with their own unitary cultures and civilizations want to live in a random jumble of other people, as opposed to living in something approximating their own pre-existing communities? That usually only happens if there are so few of them that they cannot sustain a self-supporting community. But once you have a sufficient number of your co-ethnics around, then of course, you would generally want to re-create your own culture and folkways and so on.
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Why would people with their own unitary cultures and civilizations want to live in a random jumble of other people, as opposed to living in something approximating their own pre-existing communities? That usually only happens if there are so few of them that they cannot sustain a self-supporting community. But once you have a sufficient number of your co-ethnics around, then of course, you would generally want to re-create your own culture and folkways and so on.
Because someone else used to live there and now they get displaced. Maybe someone is at a disadvantage in business or finding a job. Maybe they all vote for a certain political party. They have different values which actually affect you in a negative way(social conservatism, distrust, less generous, etc). Conflict is inevitable.

Countries where there is inequality and politics divided along racial lines like Malaysia are all fucked up and shouldn't be emulated.

If everyone is a minority and there is integration then nobody is a minority. Institutions and politics and day to day interactions become less about race. You get one dominant lingua franca to destroy the language barrier. A new civic culture rises. Homogenous cultures are often higher-trust and so much more hospitable to actually live in, but of course such a thing would be repugnant and illiberal if it had to be actively enforced. But in an integrated multicultural society you get the same benefit with no harm done.
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