Census 2011 Results:

[MTLskyline]

Originally Posted by freeweed

Interesting observation. I don't think in my entire life that I've known one single person who's moved to QC. Montreal, tons. Most other places, tons. Shit, I just met someone born and raised in Calgary who was moving to Kenora of all places. But Quebec City? Zilch.

Of course there's often a perception in the ROC that Montreal is fairly friendly towards Anglophones, whereas QC is full of English-hating French. Maybe that has something to do with it. Stereotypes are powerful things.

I would say that the francophones in Quebec City and the surrounding area are among the most federalist in the province. It is not as uncommon there as it is in Montreal to see someone flying a Canadian flag on their property.

The politics of language are not really a big issue there because almost everyone is francophone.

[Surrealplaces]

Almost all of the cities had lower numbers than the Statscan estimations, but from what many have said, the estimations are actually more accurate. we'll have to wait about a year to get the more accurate numbers.

Originally Posted by Spring2008

Find it odd that Stats Canada had Calgary's CMA population @ ~1,230,000 in 2009. 2009-2010 was definitely a shitty growth year, but from 2010-11 the metro area prob grew by at least 30,000.(The Calgary CMA was regularly growing between 35-50,000 people per year in the 2000's)....


I believe Calgary's CMA pop for 2011 should be approximately 1,270,000 with the Calgary Economic Region pop creeping up on 1.4 million...

[MonctonRad]

Absolute Population Change by CMA (2006-2011)

1- Toronto (469,915)
2- Vancouver (196,747)
3- Montreal (188,665)
4- Calgary (135,526
5- Edmonton (124,924)
6- Ottawa (102,691)
7- Quebec City (46,553)
8- Winnipeg (35,350)
9- Hamilton (28,142)
10- Saskatoon (26,677)
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11- Kitchener (25,925)
12- Oshawa (25,583)
13- Kelowna (17,563)
14- Halifax (17,470)
15- London (17,066)
16- St. John's (15,853)
17- Regina (15,585)
18- Victoria (14,574)
19- Moncton (12,220)
20- Abbotsford (11,171)
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21- Brantford (10,874)
22- Sherbrooke (10,480)
23- Barrie (9,952)
24- Guelph (7,399)
25- Kingston (7,203)
26- Trois Rivieres (7,060)
27- Saint John (5,372)
28- Sudbury (2,512)
29- Peterborough (2,405)
30- St. Catherines (1,867)
31- Saguenay (1,485)
32- Thunder Bay (-1,311)
33- Windsor (-4,019)

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MTLskyline

I would say that the francophones in Quebec City and the surrounding area are among the most federalist in the province. It is not as uncommon there as it is in Montreal to see someone flying a Canadian flag on their property.

The politics of language are not really a big issue there because almost everyone is francophone.

Both you and freeweed have made good points, but regardless of what happens, I am not sure that migration of "English Canadians" to Quebec City is going to pick up significantly.

[Acajack]

I was thinking about this and it would be interesting to see how much of the growth of Toronto (the city proper) is internal migration and how much is international immigration.

If you look at the city of Montreal its growth was minimal and I suspect it would have been negative if not for international immigration.

I wonder if Toronto the city is the same and if its growth rate might have been negative as well but ended up being higher simply because it gets a lot of immigrants (way more than Montreal).

[Surrealplaces]

I don't recall the numbers, but I remember seeing that net international immigration numbers were slightly higher than Toronto's overall growth, so in effect it would lose population without international immigration.

Originally Posted by Acajack

I was thinking about this and it would be interesting to see how much of the growth of Toronto (the city proper) is internal migration and how much is international immigration.

If you look at the city of Montreal its growth was minimal and I suspect it would have been negative if not for international immigration.

I wonder if Toronto the city is the same and if its growth rate might have been negative as well but ended up being higher simply because it gets a lot of immigrants (way more than Montreal).

[SFUVancouver]

The first number is the city's ranking by absolute population increase and the number in [brackets] represents its ranking by growth rate.

1. [2] Surrey (18.6%) [2006] 394,976 - [2011] 468,251 (growth of 73,275)
2. [16] Vancouver (4.4%) [2006] 578,041 - [2011] 603,502 (growth of 25,461)
3. [9] Burnaby (10.1%) [2006] 202,799 - [2011] 223,218 (growth of 20,419)
4. [10] Richmond (9.2%) [2006] 174,461 - [2011] 190,473 (growth of 16,012)
5. [7] Coquitlam (10.4%) [2006] 114,565 - [2011] 126,456 (growth of 11,891)
6. [6]Langley Town (11.2%) [2006] 93,726 - [2011] 104,177 (growth of 10,451)
7. [11] Abbotsford (7.4%) [2006] 124,258 - [2011] 133,497 (growth of 9,239)
8. [5] Chilliwack (12.6%) [2006] 69,217 - [2011] 77,936 (growth of 8,719)
9. [4] New Westminster (12.7%) [2006] 58,549 - [2011] 65,976 (growth of 7,427)
10. [8] Maple ridge (10.3%) [2006] 68,949 - [2011] 76,052 (growth of 7,103)
11. [1] Port Moody (19.9%) [2006] 27,512 - [2011] 32,975 (growth of 5,463)
12. [12] Port Coquitlam (6.9%) [2006] 52,687 - [2011] 56,342 (growth of 3,655)
13. [17] Delta (3.3%) [2006] 96,635 - [2011] 99,863 (growth of 3,228)
14. [13] North Vancouver city (6.7%) [2006] 45,165 - [2011] 48,196 (growth of 3,031)
15. [3] Pitt Meadows (13.5%) [2006] 15,623 - [2011] 17,736 (growth of 2,113)
16. [15] Mission (5.6.%) [2006] 34,505 - [2011] 36,426 (growth of 1,921)
17. [19] North Vancouver dist (2.2%) [2006] 82,562 - [2011] 84,412 (growth of 1,850)
19. [14] Langley city (6.2%) [2006] 23,606 - [2011] 25,081 (growth of 1,475)
20. [18] White Rock (3.1%) [2006] 18,755 - [2011] 19,339 (growth of 584)
21. [20] West Vancouver (1.3%) [2006] 42,131 - [2011] 42,694 (growth of 563)

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Surrealplaces

I don't recall the numbers, but I remember seeing that net international immigration numbers were slightly higher than Toronto's overall growth, so in effect it would lose population without international immigration.

There is definitely a heavy rotation of people coming and going in Toronto. In 2006, 43,635 moved here from elsewhere in Ontario, 11,020 moved here from the rest of Canada, and 58,255 moved here from another country (112,910 new residents total in a single year). The actual net population gain would've been about 5,000.

But keep in mind that a lot of the people leaving the city are those very same immigrants. They first come to Toronto, save up a bit of money, then move out to Markham or Kitchener or Calgary.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Don't think I ever implied there was, just quite surprised the two numbers could be off by that much. The "what gives" was in hope that someone more knowledgeable in statscan's methodology could fill me in on how such a discrepancy could exist. For the most part my question has been answered, but I am still quite surprised that the gap is so large.

In the last Council, David Cadman threw out a figure of 18,000 empty units in Vancouver held by investors. Let's say 1.5 people per unit, that accounts for 27,000 missing people. And each empty unit helps drive up the price of housing.

[caltrane74]

London and Kitchener are fun to watch in all this Census talk. Oshawa is the dark horse.

I've given up all hope for Windsor, Niagara Falls is the key to St.Kitts getting over 500,000 people in the next 20 years.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by freeweed

Interesting observation. I don't think in my entire life that I've known one single person who's moved to QC. Montreal, tons. Most other places, tons. Shit, I just met someone born and raised in Calgary who was moving to Kenora of all places. But Quebec City? Zilch.

Of course there's often a perception in the ROC that Montreal is fairly friendly towards Anglophones, whereas QC is full of English-hating French. Maybe that has something to do with it. Stereotypes are powerful things.

I've known one guy who moved to QC, He's a Calgarian, but a brown guy who had to leave QC because of the persistent racism against him (even within the arts sector).

[Rico Rommheim]

Racist artists? Sheesh that's pretty bad.

Not saying that's what your friend did, but I've met many ROCers who thought they could come live/work/study in Quebec for a while without even trying to learn French. That's not gonna work for anyone.

The artists in Quebec are as intolerant of that as anyone else here, if not more.

[caltrane74]

Parlez vous avec Francais?

Qui! Qui! Tres bein aussi!!

[MolsonExport]

Moving to QC and not speaking French is like moving to Bucharest and not speaking Romanian. Lovely city, wonderful people, prosperous economy. But it ain't Montreal, and you must speak the language of the locals if you want any chance to thrive.

[Wooster]

I'm quite sure he's fluent in french. This was Quebec City's symphony orchestra he was in. Some were just not a fan of brown people I guess.

[Rico Rommheim]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Parlez vous avec Francais?

Qui! Qui! Tres bein aussi!!

You'll last just about 5 seconds.

[Darkoshvilli]

Originally Posted by Wooster

I'm quite sure he's fluent in french. This was Quebec City's symphony orchestra he was in. Some were just not a fan of brown people I guess.

Not that surprising to me. The city is what, 95% white or something like that?

[caltrane74]

Mon Francais est le grande de la grande!!!

Un style Nouvelle!!!

Cinq seconds est ne temp pas pour moi! Mon minimum requirement un jour!

Merci!

[BretttheRiderFan]

Originally Posted by Darkoshvilli

Not that surprising to me. The city is what, 95% white or something like that?

No, apparently he moved to Quebec City from Calgary because of racism. I find this pretty weird myself, considering there is a way larger population of South Asians in Calgary (including the mayor and a couple MPs). I don't doubt the story or anything, but I think it would be a stretch to call Calgary a racist city in this day and age.

[Wooster]

^ No, he left Quebec City. He's a native Calgarian.