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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 6:38 PM
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What do you apologize to visitors for on behalf of your city?

A friend of mine working in Fort McMurray called me, dying laughing, to let me know that her boss apologized to her - a Newfoundlander - for the city being full of her kind.

"You should have seen his face when I told him. I guess he didn't read my references beyond Medicine Hat!"

That cracks me up. In a city dominated by Newfoundlanders, this poor native Albertan is apologizing to newcomers.

And it made me wonder, what do you apologize for to visitors to your city?

For us, a few spring to mind:

If they had to go through Canada Customs on the mainland (which is usually the case, given that only a minority of international fights land directly in St. John's but are routed through Toronto or Montreal), we apologize for that. Our friend D. from Kazakhstan even tries to get direct flights to St. John's now because the experience is so much friendlier with local, small city service. It's probably nothing unique about us, of course - I'm sure it'd be the same in any city of a comparable size on the mainland. But it bothers people here that their first impression of the federation is usually a snooty, rude, disinterested one.

Another obvious one is the weather, usually prefaced by "It's not usually..." - but one hears it so often that it betrays the unusual is, in fact, quite normal. Even in the middle of summer, when I see a comment thread on Facebook related to someone announcing a visit here, by the third or fourth comment, someone has said, "Hopefully you'll hook into some good weather while you're here!"

And, also universally common: public transportation. "Just rent a car, sorry." And the high (for a city this size) price of taxis.

Growing up there were others too - limited international cuisine options. Still today we have to apologize for not having many large chain stores in the downtown, but that one doesn't really bother me. You can just grill them on what they're looking for and send them to something local. Or *shudder* the Avalon Mall.
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 6:53 PM
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The weather (you really should come back and visit in the summer **innocent grin**) the traffic (most are expecting sweet and quaint, not LA on the Atlantic), and the lack of bike infrastructure (surprising considering there isn't any absence of bikers).

But overall, I think most of us are extremely proud and love the chance to show off.
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 7:42 PM
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 7:48 PM
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"I'm sorry everything is so shitty."

Our largest shopping mall used to have a sign out front that said "please excuse our muddy face" because they couldn't afford to pave the parking lot until 1986.

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Sorry about the rain
It's gonna take a little bit more than just a "sorry". I was there for 7 days and experienced more rain than my city gets in a year.
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 10:32 PM
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 10:53 PM
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I apologize for the extreme lack of things worth seeing/doing. London is just fine to live in, but there is fuck all to tantalize the visitor, unless the visitor is from some two-bit burg.
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 8:52 PM
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Sorry that you have to pay $3 to take the C-Train one stop in any direction away from downtown.
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Sorry that you have to pay $3 to take the C-Train one stop in any direction away from downtown.
This actually really gets to me!! I live in bridgeland, and when I want to take the train home from downtown, it's 3 bucks to travel from city hall to bridgeland. I end up walking now.
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This actually really gets to me!! I live in bridgeland, and when I want to take the train home from downtown, it's 3 bucks to travel from city hall to bridgeland. I end up walking now.
Are there cities where you can take transit for only a few stops and it costs 50 cents? My public transit experience is limited to Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton, and Winnipeg in this country, and I don't recall them letting people "ride one stop for free". New York and Chicago also charged me a fair bit even if I was only going one stop. In fact while I could be wrong, I seem to recall paying the full fare to go even one stop on all of these systems. It certainly was in the $2-3 range.

I've never understood this particular complaint of Calgarians. I guess the Free Fare Zone sets up some different expectations.
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Are there cities where you can take transit for only a few stops and it costs 50 cents? My public transit experience is limited to Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton, and Winnipeg in this country, and I don't recall them letting people "ride one stop for free". New York and Chicago also charged me a fair bit even if I was only going one stop. In fact while I could be wrong, I seem to recall paying the full fare to go even one stop on all of these systems. It certainly was in the $2-3 range.

I've never understood this particular complaint of Calgarians. I guess the Free Fare Zone sets up some different expectations.
Yeah, I don't get that. I mean "Dude, it's free!" Hell, I wish taking the metro in downtown Montreal was free.
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Our potholes and general state of infrastructures.
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 9:36 PM
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Kingston:
-Constant road reconstruction that shuts down entire blocks for months at time with literally no access (not like in Ottawa, for example, where they usually keep at least one sidewalk and at least one lane open throughout)
-Train & bus stations way off in the suburbs that makes visiting Kingston without a car irritating
-All the ugly parking lots in the North Block
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 10:57 PM
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Kingston:
-Constant road reconstruction that shuts down entire blocks for months at time with literally no access (not like in Ottawa, for example, where they usually keep at least one sidewalk and at least one lane open throughout)
-Train & bus stations way off in the suburbs that makes visiting Kingston without a car irritating
-All the ugly parking lots in the North Block
Oh yeah, there's another one for Ottawa.
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Oh yeah, there's another one for Ottawa.
Ottawa doesn't have it as bad as Kingston does. Ottawa's bus station is in an urban setting, and the train station, while not quite in an urban setting, is only a very short distance out of downtown (maybe a 5 minute ride on the Transitway/soon to be Confederation Line?), plus its conceivable that the area around it will be intensified as the CBD fills out.

Our bus & train stations are both firmly in suburban settings. In the case of the train station, it's practically a rural setting.

Thankfully, both cities have decent transit connections between their train stations & downtown cores. Ottawa will soon have the Confederation Line achieving this purpose.
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Old Posted May 26, 2014, 1:46 AM
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Ottawa doesn't have it as bad as Kingston does. Ottawa's bus station is in an urban setting, and the train station, while not quite in an urban setting, is only a very short distance out of downtown (maybe a 5 minute ride on the Transitway/soon to be Confederation Line?), plus its conceivable that the area around it will be intensified as the CBD fills out.

Our bus & train stations are both firmly in suburban settings. In the case of the train station, it's practically a rural setting.

Thankfully, both cities have decent transit connections between their train stations & downtown cores. Ottawa will soon have the Confederation Line achieving this purpose.
I agree, Kingston's bus and train stations are in way worse areas.

Bus station in OT is still in a rough looking area and looks like shit. But yes, it is practically downtown.



Luckily, the area is slowly improving with new projects (Central, SoBa) and potential for many more (recent up-zoning via Centertown CDP). That said, I hope the bus stations moves so it can be redeveloped along with the rest of the area.

Train Station location is just embarrassing. You get there and you have 2 choices: taxi or bus. Sure that will improve with the Confederation Line, but still. Major cities with high inter-city rail ridership should have grand stations downtown, just like TO (all around grand) and MTL (grand interior).



Hope one day someone has the vision to bring the trains back to Old Union Station:


http://spacing.ca/ottawa/2010/02/03/...d-our-history/
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