East/west divide seems to be a thing in most western cities (but not US)

[Docere]

A bit dated, but here's percentages working in Manhattan:

Westchester (18.7%), Nassau (15.2%), Bergen (14.3%), Fairfield (5.9%)

And I can see why Fairfield is its own MSA. 80% of county workforce works in county. Of NYC area counties only Manhattan has a higher share.

http://demographia.com/db-nyc-employ.pdf

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by ColDayMan

Cincinnati is more straight-forward, like St. Louis, in having a clear path from their downtown and going a direction with few dereliction way out to estate country.

Which direction is that for Cincinnati? Assuming that the favored quarter, like St. Louis also ends in "horse country" that feels like copycat Lexington, KY, and then weirdly just plows straight into Appalachia (or Ozarks) lol.

[Docere]

There's only one city in Canada I can think of where the east side is the favored side: Saskatoon.

Favored west: Montreal (but really south/southwest), Ottawa, Hamilton, London, Regina, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver

Favored east: Saskatoon

Favored south: Halifax, Winnipeg

It's complicated: Toronto

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

Which direction is that for Cincinnati? Assuming that the favored quarter, like St. Louis also ends in "horse country" that feels like copycat Lexington, KY, and then weirdly just plows straight into Appalachia (or Ozarks) lol.

East/West along Vine Street is the commonly accepted divider. Or, like ColDay mentioned, west of Downtown/I-75 and the Mill Creek valley.

[edale]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

Which direction is that for Cincinnati? Assuming that the favored quarter, like St. Louis also ends in "horse country" that feels like copycat Lexington, KY, and then weirdly just plows straight into Appalachia (or Ozarks) lol.

It's east for Cincinnati. There are wealthy in-city neighborhoods straight out of downtown all the way to the city limits (Mt. Adams, East Walnut Hills, Hyde Park, Mt. Lookout) and then a string of old money suburban areas (Mariemont, Terrace Park) culminating in the quasi-rural horse country estate suburb of Indian Hill. There is quite a dropoff east of Indian Hill, though. It gets Appalachian feeling quickly as you get into Clermont County and beyond. Sounds like a similar setup as St. Louis.

There are pockets of wealth going north from downtown too (Clifton, North Avondale), and the bulk of the upper middle class suburbs are to the north/northeast, but it's not the same level as what exists on the east side.

NKY is kind of its own thing.

[Buckeye Native 001]

Fort Thomas always kind of felt like the Hyde Park/Indian Hill of Northern Kentucky, at least in Campbell County? Dayton, Newport and Bellevue always felt much more blue collar. Not to mention Silver Grove and some of the other smaller communities along the river.

[ColDayMan]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

Which direction is that for Cincinnati? Assuming that the favored quarter, like St. Louis also ends in "horse country" that feels like copycat Lexington, KY, and then weirdly just plows straight into Appalachia (or Ozarks) lol.

edale answered it perfectly.

Originally Posted by Docere

It's complicated: Toronto

Toronto's is pretty clear, IMO: The North (Yorkville, Bridle Path, Rosedale, Forest Hill, anything near the Don Valley). Sure, there may be wealthy pockets on the east and west sides but in general the northern portion of Toronto is the clear favored quarter.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by ColDayMan

edale answered it perfectly.



Toronto's is pretty clear, IMO: The North (Yorkville, Bridle Path, Rosedale, Forest Hill, anything near the Don Valley). Sure, there may be wealthy pockets on the east and west sides but in general the northern portion of Toronto is the clear favored quarter.

There's a clear favoured quarter to the centre-north, but there isn't really a clear north/south split either (as some of the poorest neighbourhoods are in the northeast and northwest). Essentially, neither north, south, east, or west are inherently associated with wealth or with poverty the way that they are in cities like Vancouver and Montreal. I'd say "it's complicated" is a fair assessment:




In Vancouver, the division of wealth is much more clear-cut: (though this too is also starting to break down as the cost of living is forcing wealth further to the east)

[Docere]

2020 income map for Toronto here (pages 19 and 20):

https://openpolicyontario.s3.amazona...6-20230213.pdf

[Docere]

If Toronto had Montreal or Vancouver type pattern, you'd basically have west of Yonge be the more affluent side and east of Yonge be the workingmans' side of town and home to the bulk of industry. Toronto didn't develop that way.

It sort of had three sectors - north, east and west - with the Yonge Corridor and North Toronto being the favored area. The west and east were both mostly working class with some more middle class pockets like the Beaches and High Park.

Most of the wealthiest census tracts are in this favored quarter. But it kind of breaks down after that.

The 905 is for the most part pretty middling, with Oakville being affluent and Brampton/Malton being more working class.

[Docere]

What there is in the GTA is a westward bias to growth. Roughly 2 million in Peel and Halton to the west, 1 million in York Region to the north and 700,000 in Durham to the east.

And both the most affluent and least affluent 905 suburbs are in the west.

[Docere]

Residence of NYC securities industry workforce:

NYC 60%
New Jersey 21%
Long Island 7%
Westchester 6%
Connecticut 4%

https://www.osc.ny.gov/files/reports...rt-11-2023.pdf