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Old Posted Apr 28, 2017, 7:40 PM
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Unpopular opinions involving cities

Title pretty much explains it. Post your opinions on topics the majority of people would disagree with.

Newark, New Jersey is not THAT BAD. The downtown area has the old northern city feel. Aside from everything closing by 7pm, the city is fairly walkable, and only seems to be getting better.

Dubai is not that great. In fact, the skyline looks a mess. But congrats on having the tallest structure in the world!

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Old Posted Apr 28, 2017, 7:55 PM
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I have little interest in seeing Dubai. The buildings look fine, but it appears to be dominated by cars in the newer areas, and of course the heat would be impossible.
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Post your opinions on topics involving cities the majority of people would disagree with.
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I don't think either of those are unpopular opinions around here.
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Camden is a very safe city.

Houston is a really beautiful city.

Detroit is SOOOOOO white.

Phoenix has the most impressive skyline.

New York is boring.

Minneapolis weather is ideal.

Honolulu is an industrial slum.

Miami has the best sports fans.

Salt Lake City parties like nowhere else does.

San Francisco is a highly conservative city.

New Orleans is really clean.

Los Angeles people are so cool.

Oklahoma City is the most interesting city in the world.
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taking the train is sometimes really annoying.
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from a policy standpoint, having no rules (houston), is far more egalitarian and actually progressive, than having LOTS of rules (portland, and every other far left, white majority city). urbanists have such a hard on for the northwest, but its just because the topography is pretty. the reality is mega left cities try to operate as if its a nanny state but the greater framework is capitalist. square peg round hole. market driven growth leads to a much more diverse, built landscape. just look at houston's treasure trove of row houses and multifamily development. also, driving a car in this town sucks and our rail transit is massively over hyped. the quality of life here is high only because we don't have a high violent crime rate. portland planning policy and our city hall is making life here miserable, favoring pedestrians and cyclists over automobiles. and I ride a bike too! too many road diets and made up traffic patterns. is as if we are some test kitchen for stupid ideas and the city wants to make EVERY neighborhood, cute and walkable, even if the arterial street has a high traffic count and 45 mile per signage. the city is already a giant neighborhoody grid and there are shit tons of sidewalks. its easy to get around by foot or bike here so stop mucking with the roads...and fix the potholes too....
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2017, 8:42 PM
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from a policy standpoint, having no rules (Houston), is far more egalitarian and progressive, than having LOTS of rules (Portland). urbanists have such a hard on for the northwest, but its just because the topography is pretty. driving a car in this town sucks and our rail transit is massively over hyped. the quality of life here is high only because we don't have a high violent crime rate. this city is nimby town and nimbys want to keep it that way.....
I guess you mean egalitarian from a real estate developer's perspective...

and have fun driving in Houston...
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I guess you mean egalitarian from a real estate developer's perspective...

and have fun driving in Houston...
developers build what people want. you've got it the other way around. its not as if they are pulling as fast one on anybody. their product is a result of a desire to have it. from a policy standpoint, lots of cities favor single family zoning, yet their populations continue to grow and competition for the housing stock gets worse and worse. its that missing middle that im envious of. medium density, urban-ish housing. we have some, but its still hard to develop here. Portland zoning code, pre ww2 was far more urban minded than our existing code, 2017...its like that everywhere. laissez faire policy makes for a better city. or at least it did. this country was way more urban 100 years ago in than it is now.
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developers build what people want. you've got it the other way around. its not as if they are pulling as fast one on anybody. their product is a result of a desire to have it. lots of cities favor single family zoning, yet their populations continue to grow and competition for the housing stock gets worse and worse. its that missing middle that im envious of. medium density, urban-sh housing. we have some, but its still hard to develop here. traffic sucks everywhere too.
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but it's not as if it's some "free market/give the people what they want" situation in Houston anyway. There are rules in Houston... tons of deed restrictions, certain taxing zones, lot size limits, special allowances only in "activity zones", density restrictions/allowances, etc... but it's so haphazard and non-comprehensive that it is FAR from egalitarian for everyone.

The thing is, in many cases throughout Houston, the opposite of what you claim above is true... the system does not work for all people, and people in areas without the political clout/money (and the resulting special rules), get whatever developers/land owners want to put there that will make them money, often to the detriment of neighbors and the surrounding area in a variety of ways. Wealthy Houstonians are as NIMBY as people are anywhere else.

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Old Posted Apr 28, 2017, 9:55 PM
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developers build what people want. you've got it the other way around. its not as if they are pulling as fast one on anybody. their product is a result of a desire to have it. from a policy standpoint, lots of cities favor single family zoning, yet their populations continue to grow and competition for the housing stock gets worse and worse. its that missing middle that im envious of. medium density, urban-ish housing. we have some, but its still hard to develop here. Portland zoning code, pre ww2 was far more urban minded than our existing code, 2017...its like that everywhere. laissez faire policy makes for a better city. or at least it did. this country was way more urban 100 years ago in than it is now.
The central idea of urban planning is that cities need to be regulated, there is market failure, and laypersons don't always know what's best for a city. I think it's a bit more nuanced than that, and there is a lot of merit to the stakeholder process. That being said, I highly doubt over half of Greater Toronto's new housing would be multifamily, if it weren't for the regulations created by Ontario's Greenbelts.

In a city like Portland, although it may be political suicide from the way you put it, the city could simply rezone lots to higher density so that when new infill is created, it must be denser or it won't get approved. Lack of zoning may have worked in the pre-automobile age, but because of the systematic nudging of governments and companies towards suburbs and automobiles, people have become reliant on it in North America to the point where non-zoned cities like Houston are extremely sprawling and car dependent. Portland's transit may be overhyped, but it seems far worse in Houston. The only way I see Houston changing is through massive incentivization and regulation of density, transit, and just planning in general. It's hard to undo all that has been done, and it can't be done passively with a lack of zoning, when there is a path dependence created towards car dependence.

With that said, I do believe that cities in general are over-regulated and over-zoned, such that they become museum cities or overpriced if they already have urban bones, or continue to sprawl to neverland elsewhere. Like planning in general, I believe there is nuance and somewhere in the middle is best.
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Portland zoning code, pre ww2 was far more urban minded than our existing code, 2017...its like that everywhere. laissez faire policy makes for a better city. or at least it did. this country was way more urban 100 years ago in than it is now.
I know this is getting off topic, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Yes, Portland and very other city pre-WW2 was more urban, before the Eisenhower expressways / Robert Moses planning / mass suburbanization took over. And yes, our country was way more urban 100 years ago since we were planning around streetcars, not automobiles. What does this have to do with being laissez faire? Urban planning is what brought streetcars back, increased density, and revitalized once-abandoned inner city neighborhoods. Yes traffic sucks in Portland since the city has emphasized pedestrians and mass transit at the expense of the automobile... are you saying this was a mistake? We ought to revert back to more freeways, more roads, more strip malls and laissez faire sprawl?
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I guess you mean egalitarian from a real estate developer's perspective...

and have fun driving in Houston...
For all of Houston's faults at least poor people can afford to live there.

Walkability doesn't mean shit to the people who are forced to drive long distances because they've been priced out of the city.
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For all of Houston's faults at least poor people can afford to live there.

Walkability doesn't mean shit to the people who are forced to drive long distances because they've been priced out of the city.
Strange responses.

Affordability is another topic. Lack of zoning laws does not translate to poor people being able to afford to live there.

Who was talking about walkability? Anyway, also another topic. Walkability and terrible traffic are also not mutually exclusive situations. A city can have both, one or the other, or neither.
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For all of Houston's faults at least poor people can afford to live there.

Walkability doesn't mean shit to the people who are forced to drive long distances because they've been priced out of the city.
True, Houston is pretty damn dynamic in real life. Often times owning a modest vehicle is less expensive than transit.
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from a policy standpoint, having no rules (houston), is far more egalitarian and actually progressive, than having LOTS of rules (portland, and every other far left, white majority city). urbanists have such a hard on for the northwest, but its just because the topography is pretty. the reality is mega left cities try to operate as if its a nanny state but the greater framework is capitalist. square peg round hole. market driven growth leads to a much more diverse, built landscape. just look at houston's treasure trove of row houses and multifamily development. also, driving a car in this town sucks and our rail transit is massively over hyped. the quality of life here is high only because we don't have a high violent crime rate. portland planning policy and our city hall is making life here miserable, favoring pedestrians and cyclists over automobiles. and I ride a bike too! too many road diets and made up traffic patterns. is as if we are some test kitchen for stupid ideas and the city wants to make EVERY neighborhood, cute and walkable, even if the arterial street has a high traffic count and 45 mile per signage. the city is already a giant neighborhoody grid and there are shit tons of sidewalks. its easy to get around by foot or bike here so stop mucking with the roads...and fix the potholes too....
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Sometimes extremely interesting independent stores and best "authentic" restaurants are in the suburbs.
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Sometimes extremely interesting independent stores and best "authentic" restaurants are in the suburbs.
this. sometimes an entire cuisine is only available (done well/authentic) in the "suburbs."
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this. sometimes an entire cuisine is only available (done well/authentic) in the "suburbs."
Tyler Cowen actually wrote about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/bo...ler-cowen.html
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